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Ever since I saw the splendid demonstration game at the Reveille show in Bristol by the Abbey Wood Irregulars of the their take on the battles in Somerset, complete with the boys of King's School Bruton armed with rifles and Vickers gun and the Great Western Railwaymen's militia, I have been looking at VBCW with very great interest. The chance to mix national history with local history with a healthy dose of fiction both whimsical and less so is strangely invigorating. I think what makes it even more interesting is the chance to weave parts of your own family story into a grand albeit fictional narrative. I can see how my Dad's father could easily have been part of the LNER worker's militia, while my Mum's father could have put his Great War experience in the Royal Artillery to good use.

However, the purpose of this posting is not to look at the back story to what I might do with VBCW in West Norfolk (King's Lynn fallen to the BUF indeed!) but to talk about how VBCW might be done in 15mm. I entirely understand that a large part of the appeal of the genre is to be able to use the rather excellent looking figures from Gripping Beast, Musketeer, Copplestone Castings et al. However, the problem for me is that I am less keen to invest the hard cash into what might easily be a short term venture. The challenge of stretching my meagre painting talents onto the larger canvas of 28mm figures as opposed to my preferred 15mm can also not be ignored.

So before I take the plunge back in time to the alternative 1938 I have been looking at what is available in the smaller scale to see if it is viable at all. The listing below is my work-in-progress on which it would be interesting to learn if anyone has any further information or alternatives. You will quickly see that Peter Pig features large in this listing which is no bad thing as the figures are well detailed if, in my experience a little on the small side.

Regulars

These are fairly straightforward to find, assuming you are looking at a mix of WW1 and early WW2 British troops. Peter Pig of course covers both WW1 with a large range and (thanks to PBI) very large ranges of figures for WW2, complete with light support weapons such as Bren guns and Boys anti-tank rifles. It is even possible to field the Guards units in greatcoats (as per one of the source books) using the relevant figures from the 8th Army range (yes honestly) or the Late War alternatives if you are happy with the camouflaged helmets (and why not?). The Home Guard figures should also prove useful but there is no picture posted on the website.

Essex too do a small range of WW2 figures and I would guess that much of their range could easily be pressed into service.

Minifigs have a range of British Great War figures although there are no pictures of them on their website. I have found with their range of Late Romans (one of my other interests but of absolutely no use for the VBCW!) that while they are not so well moulded as, say, Essex, they do mix in quite well.

There are also figures for WW1 and WW2 from QRF which could be pressed into service but I have seen none of these in the flesh. Pictures on the website suggest they are a little "basic" but it may be they paint up well. The Irregular Miniatures WW1 figures probably fall into a similar category.

Strangely I have not yet looked at the Flames of War range for early war figures and will get round to it at some point.

BUF

This is a little more challenging but still quite manageable. This is where the small scale and a reasonable paint job could work wonders. The Spanish Civil War range from Peter Pig includes some Assault Guards complete with peaked cap which all look ready for painting as black shirts. For a little variety but still looking for a uniformed force which does not look too British, the Republican figures in their distinctive caps could make a good alternative, again with the right painting. These could be fleshed out with SCW figures from QRF who do a small range.

I would also like to look at the SCW figures from the Danish company The Late Queen, but while they are apparently still trading they are currently off the web.

Anglican League, Militias and Armed Civilians

When we get to the militias and LDV it starts to get a little harder as I would imagine the forces being represented are likely to be less uniformly equipped or less closely based on an existing historical analogue. It is here I think we have to be a little more imaginative, leaving aside options for conversion.

Again looking at the Peter Pig range, the Carlist fighters complete with beret look tailor made for a workers defence force. Equally, the international brigade figures are likely to give a suitable mix of military looking figures. Looking at the WW2 range, the French resistance fighters could easily be pressed into service for the LDV. Taking a step back in time, the wild west range contains a number of gun slingers and armed townsmen (and women) who might not look too out of place in 1930s Britain provided they are painted in the right colours.

Still on the theme of using ahistorical figures, 15mm.co.uk maintains the old Pony Wars range from Tabletop Games within which there are a few figures who could also be taken forward in time - the bearded bloke with the shotgun looks rather useful as a disgruntled yokel from the back of beyond. Minfigs Wild West range may also be a good source, if you could only see some pictures on the website.

I have never seen any of Eureka's figures but the photos on their website (or rather Fighting15s) seem pretty clear. Their ranges have a number of interesting opportunities. The Russian WW2 partisans appear to offer a number of flat-capped armed civilians who would add a little variety, although I think the fur hatted gentlemen would look rather out of place in Norfolk or anywhere else in the UK (or perhaps that should be the disunited Kingdom). Some of their early WW2 US figures could also be used. The US cavalry of 1941 might not look out of place as a locally mounted force while the armed US sailors might be re-painted for use with the RN or if sensibilities are too offended, could remain as they are as a form of naval landing party.

For Anglican League forces I would expect these to be represented by a mix of militia type figures and, for the better resourced units, regular army figures perhaps repainted in more fanciful uniforms.

Police and Auxiliaries

This looked to be a little harder to sort until I read an article here on GWP (I like the Clarky the Cruel blog!) which then pointed me at the associated blog. Using colonial British infantry of the Sudan campaign complete with pith helmet but painted in dark blue uniforms they appear to look, from a distance, like the typical British bobby. Many of the ranges I've looked at model the infantry with packs and knapsacks (probably quite right if used in the intended period!) but the figures from Stone Mountain Miniatures in the US appears to show them with less accoutrements - and the figures look pretty good too. For all these figures, removal of the bayonets from the guns would make them look more like the SMLE the police might be expected to use.

For auxiliaries I think the best answer might be to convert some late WW1 figures with some glengarry hatted replacement heads from Peter Pig. As a slightly left field suggestion, the use of Essex French fusilier marines of the Franco-Prussian War in sheepskin coat might also fill a gap, possibly supplemented by the Minifigs naval infantry equivalent (less the bayonet).

Characters

One of the big attractions of VBCW is the potential to use all those eccentric adventurer type figures to add that essential period colour. These sorts of figures do not feature anything like as much in 15mm as they do in 28mm, but if you look hard enough there are some to be had.

Khurusan Miniatures has its Mystri Island range covering adventures in a lost world set in the time of WW1. While their dinosaurs may not be quite right, the three character figures of a German explorer, his British opponent (both characterful colonial types) together with a plucky US female adventurer complete with elephant gun would all fit in neatly Buried in their sci-fi range, the galactic dictator looks pretty good for a jack-booted female BUF leader, although the paired techno-ninja would be rather harder to fit in.

Hidden amongst the zombies and mummies of the Rebel Minis "pulp" range is a group of "Cairo adventurers" who could be useful for all sorts of uses. Elsewhere the urban ranges could also be plundered for a variety of figures, including hostages and "Irish hitmen" which, while all rather modern, could be pressed into service.

Some of the characters from the Peter Pig wild west range could also be pressed into service but in the absence of pictures it is a little hard to say. Likewise the gent (Sir Harry) with the elephant gun in the Irregular Miniatures colonial range might also be useful, if only you could see what he looks like.

Vehicles

The last element of this round up is the vehicles. These appear to be well-represented by the ranges of QRF, Peter Pig and Stronghold Miniatures, although the last might no longer be trading. There are several examples of soft skin trucks and cars from a variety of ranges, while T-26, FT-17 and MkVI tanks and infantry carrying vehicles are all covered by a number of companies together with some rather more ad hoc vehicles from the SCW ranges.

Finale

This has probably been rather long for a GWP posting but I felt the lack of 15mm coverage needed to be addressed at some point. Whether I ever manage to follow my own advice and set up some forces (I have plenty of painted and unpainted lead which never sees the light of day) I cannot say, but it would be neat to see what might be possible. If anyone has any follow up I would love to know!

Enjoy!

Martin

Links

Reveille
Peter Pig
Khurusan Miniatures Mystri Island
QRF C20th ranges
Rebel Minis (Cairo Adventurers)
Essex Miniatures WW2 range
Minifigs
15mm.co.uk Pony WarsFighting 15s Eureka WW2
Clarky the Cruel's blog

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Jan 25 11 8:15 AM

Well Fitz... that looks pretty comprehensive to me! I'm not a 15mm gamer but I can't think of any other figure makers.

I seem to remember FOW do some prototype afvs but am not sure if they did the likes of the Vickers Independent or Vickers Medium MkIII.

For scenery will the " N " gauge railway stuff be of use? Or does 15mm fall between the scales....

Post some photos of your forces when they're mustered.

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Jan 25 11 10:27 PM

I've had a quick look at the Flames of War range and they do some figures and vehicles that would fit into the VBCW timeline. The early war infantry would pass muster as regulars, while in the vehicles there is a MkVI light tank, various carriers, A9 and A10 cruiser tanks (are these early enough?) and a few trucks. They do look a bit pricey though.

I think 15mm is probably closest to 3mm scale (TT) in railway modelling terms which probably explains "large" 15mm figures being 18mm tall (depends on what you are measuring of course). I suspect some "large" N scale or "small" OO/HO could be made to fit, but there is a fair amount of 15mm terrain and buildings out there.

I will see about ordering some of the Peter Pig stuff in the near future and report progress.

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Jan 25 11 10:51 PM

That's a trekondius resource I'll be using for my own future purchases! Glad you like the bobbies idea from the clarkythecruel blog ('tis mine) - my opponents has had nice results in 15mm Painting WW2 Peter pig Russian sailors as flat capped prols - I'll get some pictures up this week - the bandoliers give a nice irregular look.

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Jan 26 11 12:26 PM

Kehaar, I liked the blog and I am sure I will dip into it again some more. I will also have a look at the suggestion for using Russian sailors from Peter Pig. I had had a look at their Russian Civil War figures but I wasn't sure if they would be quite British enough to be "authentic".

When I was doing my figure research I did start looking at all sorts of figures trying to convince myself they would fit into 1930s Britain. I had to draw the line at using the Vietnamese civilians from Peter Pig and the modern rioters from Rebel Minis and Irregular Miniatures - it would take a very special paint job to take them back in time!

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Jan 26 11 6:32 PM

http://clarkythecruel.wordpress.com/2011/0...-jims-painting/

15mm Russian Civil War Sailors passing as flat capped prols (I think.) Well froma distance anyway.
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Jan 27 11 9:58 PM

It's amazing the difference a paint scheme can make to a figure, looking at those WW2 Russian sailors. I will keep them in mind.

I have finally put (some of) my money where my mouth is and ordered some Peter Pig figures:

  • Republican riflemen - BUF blackshirts
  • Early WW2 British riflemen - regulars, from the Royal Norfolks
  • International Brigade - not sure what until I've seen them, but maybe Anglican League
  • French resistance - LDV, local malcontents or may the railway workers militia of the M&GN

I'll report back progress in hopefully the not too distant future.

Oh and a possible extra source of suitable figures. From Khurusan Miniatures Blog, they are planning a set of figures for the Chaco War. The Paraguayans that have been modelled to date look pretty good, although I think the barefoot figures might not be quite right for the more affluent UK (but they could be good for more rustic forces?).

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Feb 1 11 5:48 PM

I just found a vehicle by accident. I got one for 99p off ebay.

It's the Matchbox Models of Yesterday 1930 Mercedes lorry carrying a large engine mount as a cargo. It seems a good size for 15mm figures (judging by my Marlburian figures, which are the only 15s I have), and makes a wonderful Heath robinson improvised armoured truck for militia. It's load is a big metal structure with windows on either side.

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Feb 3 11 9:12 AM

This is a great guide - nice work!

I'll add a link to this thread when I finally get around to updating my own humble minis guide.

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Feb 3 11 2:05 PM

I was looking fir 1/4800 ships for some VBCW convoy games when came across this fellow...

The Gestapo figures & British battledress w casque Adrian sound suitable - anyone bought ant of these?
http://www.spanglefish.com/mickyarrowminia...p?pageid=187085


German naval party might be fun for ground element of any 'pirate' subs too...

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Feb 3 11 10:46 PM

I hadn't seen the MY figures before. The German WW2 range also seems to include armed partisans while the British range with Home Guard ought to be suitably homespun for the VBCW. Adding in the submarine conning towers suggests all sorts of nefarious schemes of Nazi spies and advisers.

My Peter Pig figures have arrived today. I'm just waiting for the Army Painter spray to arrive and I will see how quickly the Blackshirts can be put into the field (it will be a quality job!).

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Feb 3 11 10:48 PM

QUOTE (jp1885 @ February 03, 2011 09:12 am)
This is a great guide - nice work!

I'll add a link to this thread when I finally get around to updating my own humble minis guide.

Thanks for the comments. It was your guide which inspired me to look at the 15mm scene!

Cheers

Martin

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Feb 4 11 12:37 PM

QUOTE (Fitzhorn @ February 03, 2011 10:48 pm)
Thanks for the comments. It was your guide which inspired me to look at the 15mm scene!

Then my work here is done

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Feb 6 11 7:22 PM

So how many people do 15mm VBCW? Do we think a 15mm bigger game could be a possibility one day ?

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Feb 6 11 7:26 PM

So how many people do 15mm VBCW? Do we think a 15mm bigger game could be a possibility one day ?

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Feb 6 11 11:43 PM

I do 28mm VBCW, but I know Warbases, who make the very nice VBCW pub, houses and shops also make some Normandy buildings.

Here's a Link

http://www.warbases.co.uk/#/flames-of-war/4543250910

As their products are laser cut, and are designed on a computer, I would guess that they would be able to cut the VBCW houses and other buildings in 15mm scale. Obviously, as I don't work for Warbases, or even know anyone who does, I can't be sure if the technology works like that, but it might be worth giving them a call. Mort says the staff there are very helpful.

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Feb 28 11 8:30 AM

Hi

After much struggle I finally took the plunge at Cavalier and bought the source book and plan a 15mm BCW in the very near future, now the issue of rules raises it's head.

I looked at the SCW rules by Peter Pig, but they seem the wrong size of action.

My local club uses Tac for 20mm WW2 games, but what rules do you gentlemen suggest ?

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Mar 1 11 10:06 PM

On the rules front I am taking a look at the USE ME rules from 15mm.co.uk. I was going to use and abuse their original sci-fi set which was pretty adaptable but they have now released a WW2 set which seems to cover most of the bases. They look pretty straightforward, are designed for speed but seem to have the features required for small unit actions including armour and (limited) air power and are specifically aimed at the period 1930 to about 1950. They are also cheap at £3.50 a pop!

On painting my samples from Peter Pig, so far only 8 figures have received their black undercoat so far but as I feared "other duties" are preventing me from making progress [sigh].

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